From egocentric to ecocentric: rethinking our place in nature
Undergraduate student Rowan Daugherty joins Martina to talk about how studying environmental ethics has shaped how she relates to the natural world. What began as a conversation during a manta swim became a deeper discussion about expectations, technology, and our tendency to put ourselves at the center of nature. This episode takes a grounded look at how small shifts in perspective can change how we experience the world around us and our role within it.
In this episode
How expectations influence our experience of nature, and what happens when we let them go
Why technology and social media subtly distance us from real connection with the natural world
The difference between a human-centered and eco-centered way of moving through the world
What environmental ethics looks like outside the classroom, in everyday choices and habits
Episode Summary
During a manta swim, Martina and Rowan discovered a shared perspective about being in wild places: nature isn’t there to perform for us. When Rowan mentioned she had written an essay exploring that very idea, a conversation was sparked that eventually led to this episode.
Rowan shares how her studies in political science and environmental ethics have shaped how she thinks about human relationships with the natural world. She reflects on how technology and social media impact expectations, often pulling us into documenting, comparing, or anticipating experiences instead of simply being present for them as they unfold.
Rowan and Martina then look at how those expectations have played out in real places. From manta rays to National Parks, they discuss examples where the desire for a guaranteed experience has influenced human behavior, sometimes leading to decisions that prioritize spectacle over respect for natural ecosystems.
Drawing on Rowan’s academic work, the conversation introduces Aldo Leopold’s concept of a land ethic and the shift from an egocentric to an ecocentric way of seeing the world. Rowan explains how these ideas have influenced her own choices, from stepping back from technology in certain settings to seeking experiences that stretch her comfort zone and sense of control.
The episode closes with practical suggestions on how to carry these ideas into everyday life. Rowan invites listeners to reflect on their own values and consider how small shifts in perspective and daily choices can lead to more thoughtful, respectful ways of moving through the world.
Today’s guest: Rowan Daugherty
Rowan Daugherty is an undergraduate honors student at the University of San Diego studying political science on the pre-law track, with a strong interest in environmental ethics. A passionate traveler, Rowan finds peace in nature, spending time hiking, skiing, and paddleboarding.
Driven by a commitment to justice, sustainability, and global awareness, she plans to use her education and passion to fight for the environment and make lasting change in the world.
Resources from this episode
A Sand County Almanac — Aldo Leopold — Foundational environmental ethics, introducing the idea of a “land ethic” and a shift away from human-centered thinking.
Jane Goodall: Famous Last Words — Jane Goodall’s final documentary interview, reflecting on humanity and nature.
The Myth of the Tree You Can Drive Through — National Park Service article explaining more about the history of carving tunnels through giant sequoias
Old Faithful Geyser (Yellowstone National Park) — Referenced in the conversation as an example of how natural phenomena have been altered or staged to meet tourist expectations.
Putting the Phone Down: The Negative Impact of Technology on Nature — Rowan’s essay examining technology, attention, and environmental ethics - Click here to download the PDF file.